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Can creativity be the driving force in your music career? What if I told you that it was possible to create a music business that put the performer in the driving seat? Find out what it is like to be part of a growing community of artists that instead of competing, collaborate, and support one another. 

Briget’s musical background ranges from the folk music of the Balkans to the folk music that surrounds her on the West Coast of the US. She recently released her second solo album, The Next Line. When the guitar isn’t in her hands, she’s the creative director of Waxsimile Productions, which she founded with her father, Tim Boyle, to focus on both profitable and equitable methods of creating musical products.


  • how to avoid overwhelm using a spiritual practice.
  • not letting the industry define you as an artist and not depending on external validation.
  • the role of music in personal development and self healing.
  • supporting other artists to be artist (the value of collaboration and mutual support)
  • letting creativity lead in music business.
  • Music as the center of human experience.


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Speaker 2: Welcome to another episode of Dare to be seen. I am your host, Elisa Di Napoli, AKA Elyssa Vulpes and today's episode features the wonderful Bridget Boyle. Now Brigid's musical background ranges from the folk music of the Balkans to the folk music that surrounds her on the West coast of the U S. She recently released the second solo album, the next slide, and one, the guitar isn't in her hands. She is the creative director of WEX simile productions, which she founded with a father Tim Boyle to focus on both profitable and equitable methods of creating musical products. Now, before we meet the wonderful Bridget Boyle, I would like to invite you to go to tiny to be seen pod where you will find my free ebook there to be seen from stage fright to stage presence, where you will discover how to turn any stage nerves that you may feel into authentic confidence. So you can perform at your very best, even if you're an introvert like me, or you have been out of the game for a little while, and now here's Bridget Boyle.

Speaker 2: It's great to finally meet you, even though it's just a virtual meeting and you are joining us, I believe from Oakland, California.

Speaker 3: Yep. That's right. Oakland, California. It's beautiful. Here.

Speaker 2: I was reading on your website,  that you're a very, very busy lady. You've got loads going on and you got a record label. You've been in many different bands. You play Balcombe music, you also play your own folk music. And so what's happening at the moment. Even with this lockdown, you seems to be super productive.

Speaker 3: Yeah. I don't even know where it comes from, but I, well, I do know because my parents were also very productive are also very productive people. but yeah, I have a lot going on. I'm doing my own music, as you said, I'm running a record label called wax simile productions, which, has been in a big, big transition cause I'm the co founder of the label. Who's also, my father passed away about, nine months ago. And is that right Oh my goodness. Or maybe eight months ago. but we have been totally reshaping and reformatting the label and we've taken on some new partnerships and collaborations that are really exciting. And and then I also still sing with Kiko women's vocal ensemble. I actually rejoined the group about like two and a half or three weeks before sheltering in place started. So it's kind of been an interesting transition from being in something where we can sing together in place to having to do everything virtually and then, true life trio is still active and, yeah, there's just, there's a lot going on, but you know, if I keep busy with music, my spirit stays well. So, I've so I keep busy with music. Yeah.

Speaker 2: I can relate, you know, some people I've talked to I've felt the opposite, you know, they felt like really not inspired to make music. And then I've also met people have the opposite experience where actually they've never been more productive. And I guess I have gone from one from one extreme to the other myself, and I think that's a bit of a coping mechanism, at least for me.

Speaker 3: Absolutely. I feel like it's back and forth and up and down and every day's a new day and some days I'm really productive and really inspired. And some days I'm not, I haven't been writing as much as I maybe did when I had more out outside input. but it's starting, I'm starting to feel the creative flow coming back in. I, I did spend a lot of time in the beginning of quarantine, like learning how to do more advanced video editing and how to live stream of festival and how to do, you know, sort of how to take this medium that I I've been working on for so many years and, broadcast it to a larger audience. And, that's been a really fun journey for me.

Speaker 2: Yeah. So I can, I can hear you a bit of a Jack of all trades. You, you know how to do a lot of things.

Speaker 3: Yeah. In fact, my, my mother once called me a Jill of all trades and, it inspired a song on my first album. That's called Jill.

Speaker 2: Awesome. Awesome. I like that. Yeah. should say Jill of alternative, cause yeah, I'm a bit like that myself.

Speaker 3: Oh, gender the construct anyways. So,

Speaker 2: I mean, is there something that you prefer though, you know, among all of these activities, is there your favorite

Speaker 3: It's a really good question. I think like the deepest, most centered part of me most prefers writing my own music and recording and perfecting my own music. the next level part of me enjoys singing with other people and singing folk music. And, and then, that also in my mind includes teaching. I have a program called unleash your voice, and I've been doing these online warmups a couple of times a week, every Monday and Thursday for half an hour at 9:30 AM Pacific time. And it's like, it gives me so much joy to help people access their own voices. And I can really feel, you know, I have between like 20 and 40 people on Facebook live, for each one. And it's just, I feel this like energetic lift every time I do it. So that's been really great. I think singing is really like the core of, of my musical, joy, you know, and, and that can be realized in my writing and in singing with other people and in teaching. Right.

Speaker 2: And do you, is that always been the case, you know, there's love for singing, is that how your love of music emerged in the first place

Speaker 3: Yeah, I'd say so. my mother is, has an incredible singing voice and she, had quite a, you know, a career in the music industry. She, we grew, I grew up in Los Angeles and, she's a country music singer and she was like signed to Atlantic records and, you know, did really, really tried to pursue the mainstream music thing and had me, singing on stage with her when I was really young. And, I think that's, you know, of course sort of the home was full of music and, it was all my mom's music. Like, you know, she's a songwriter as well. it wasn't like we were sitting around singing folk songs. It was, it was very much like she was creating music. So I was kind of always around that sort of, activity. And then my dad was a recording engineer for film and television.

Speaker 3: And so I kind of fell in love with like music and its relationship to images and to film and to entertainment. And, yeah, I think, you know, I just, it started from the beginning, like probably even before I was born. and then it really picked up when I was in college. I studied performance and composition and got really into, world music. I took a world music ensemble that was focused on middle Eastern and Balkan music. And there was something about singing folk music from the Balkans that just opened up my heart and opened up a path that I walked on and still am walking on for many, many years. I, I sing in a group called Kiko, which is a woman's vocal ensemble. And, I was the lead singer and snare drummer for a band called brass menagerie. And we did Balkan brass music and, yeah, it just, you know, music when I follow music like the adventures and the good parts of life unfold, and that's always been true for me. And when I, kind of get fearful or distracted or really feel like I need to like be being a producer because I can't be creative or like being a performer is not lucrative or whatever, like things get more complicated inside my system and, and not as clear, but when I'm like stepping in the direction of creating and promoting and being, involved in music and learning music and creating it and teaching it, you know, life just gets better. So,

Speaker 2: Wow. I mean, there's so many questions I want to ask you. I don't know where to start. I guess maybe the first question I'm obvious blown is. Do you ever, do you ever get overwhelmed with all of these

Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure. I mean, I think, yeah, I do. I do right now, I'm in this really, beautiful, place of like, sort of, how am I going to say this Like I'm in a spiritual practice zone where I'm like meditating every morning and writing in my journal doing morning pages, I'm doing the artist's way, which is a program by Julia Cameron. It's amazing. And it's really like helping me not get overwhelmed and really helping me look at where, where is my, like, where's my fire, you know And like where, what, what makes me feel centered and what makes me feel grounded I think I get overwhelmed when I've over committed, which is a practice that I've also perfected. but I'm learning lately to actually say no to things or to like have a limited role within them and to really focus my role.

Speaker 3: for the most part, like I would say with my company, which is, you know, the record company and production company, I do end up being in the sort of administrative and productive production role. but with all the other projects I'm involved with, I'm really trying to just be like a musician and just say like, I could do all the production and administrative work, but I am in this to make music. And so that's my priority and that's been really helpful too. I used to lead with, I'm a production manager and now I'm leading with I'm a musician and that transition has really shifted my, my life and how, you know, you know, and it's not perfect. Like I say this today, cause I'm in a really good place, but like tomorrow I might just be like, I'm so overwhelmed, but you know, it's a day by day. Like life is just one day at a time. And yeah. And so as the artistic journey, you know, you have to be so present in order for it to unfold in the way that it needs to.

Speaker 2: Yes, absolutely. You know, I've, I've been there myself. I do a lot of things and I find it sometimes difficult to focus or find what is the thing that I really need to do right now, or, you know, without being distracted by the shiny object syndrome. So one of the things I wanted to ask you is around this, you know, you, you're talking about the book by Julia Cameron, I'm familiar with that and spiritual practice. So do you have a kind of a ritual or something that allows you to get in the flow in the zone

Speaker 3: I'm so glad you asked that because I feel like I'm actually in a place where I'm able to articulate what my, what works for me. Cause I feel like I actually have just discovered it and it's actually waking up really early. Like I wake up at 6:45 AM or seven and you know, I tend to my personal needs and then, you know, I, I kind of straightened up my kitchen, make coffee, and then I sit outside and I write my morning pages, three pages got a bigger journal. So that it's actually really three pages for a long time. I was writing in this like tiny journal and saying I was writing three pages, but it was more like one. And so now I'm like actually giving myself some space to do a brain drain. and then at the end of that, I meditate for five minutes.

Speaker 3: because right now that feels like all, that that feels like, if I can maintain that eventually I'll be able to grow that meditation practice, but the five minutes. And, and then, I eat breakfast and then I have started to do some sort of musical activity. First thing, whether it's the online warmups or practicing my guitar a little bit or, listening to music, like just, you know, putting on music in my home and, you know, kind of thinking about my day and planning it out. And and then, you know, really, yesterday I had this great experience where I was, I set a timer for 25 minutes. I worked for 25 minutes on financial crap book, you know, spreadsheets and whatever. And then I take a five minute break and I go outside and I did that all day.

Speaker 3: And then I found in the evening, I was like, I had some creative room because I had been really like, specific about how my work energy was focused. And it's hard because I have a lot going on. I have found it tricky to know where to focus, but the more I focus in on like, gosh, I guess connecting with myself, connecting with my community, connecting with my creativity and leading with creativity, like, you know, with my business, there's this group of people we get together every week. And we talk about business, talk about like building a cooperative label. Cause that's kind of the process that we're that's unfolding right now. we've, we've said like, what if this business is not led by like the business part of it, but led by the creative part of it. And that just feels so generative to me.

Speaker 3: And so like energizing and it's given me this ability to like think really big about what's what the potential is of this label. Like it's turning, you know, it's a women led label, it's turning into like a queer, roster, not all queer, but like, you know, that's kind of become like my community. I'm, I'm a bisexual woman. And so like my community is a bunch of incredible queer musicians and like the more I focus in on like how can I creatively build this business so that I can support this community around me, the more I feel focused, you know And when I'm like, Oh, how do I make money Or like, how do I do these spreadsheets Or how do I yanking it I feel like I don't have any energy and I'm just like, I don't want to do it. Like I don't want to do that stuff. But when I focus on the creative part, the business stuff comes easier.

Speaker 2: Wow. That's, that's very inspiring. You know I have, what I'm hearing is that you are bringing their creativity to the business, not just the business to the music. so it's, you're actually creating a business by bringing value to the people that you're serving and then the money takes care of itself, which is a really good way of looking

Speaker 3: Candidate. I'm really I, yeah. I mean that's, and one of the things that I've realized about the industry is so much of it as like, like the P you know, the, the general practice is like musicians have to make the music and then like, maybe it'll make some money. Like maybe there'll be able to survive, but they have to like do these hundred thousand things in order to like, make a 0.0, zero 6 cents on Spotify. And I'm like, what if we flipped that on its head I mean, this is at least like the American system. I don't know how it is where you are, but like, what if we flip that on its head and actually paid musicians to be musicians, you know, like, and, and help them develop their business skills and, and be aware of like the larger music industry, but like really be able to help them with that financial piece.

Speaker 3: So that's kinda what I'm looking at is like how, like, who are the investors in my, you know, that I can talk with to say like, Hey, I really want to build something where artists are able to be artists and not just like product makers or content creators. Like I want them to be, valued. I mean, I think this is a really great moment in time to like re align our values for, for art making, because it's certainly gotten really bad because consumers don't value music anymore in the way that they used to it's background. Now, you know, it's like you put on your Spotify playlist and you go all day where, you know, it used to be, people would sit down and like, listen to a record and like buy it and then go to a concert and buy a tee shirt and do this, you know And so I think we, as, as a label head, I really want to figure out a way to say to my artists, like, I can give you a small, monthly stipend to keep writing and keep creating, you know, and it's not that you create it. And then I pay you if it makes money on this like ridiculous market, it's like, you make it. And then we put it out there. I don't know. I mean, it might be a terrible business model, but I think there's something in it. You know,

Speaker 2: I love the idea, you know can I be part of it

Speaker 3: No. I mean, I'm, I'm open to like any ideas and collaborations. I just feel like we have to create a new world right now. Yeah. Yeah. The music industry is such an important piece of it. It's like music is like center of human experience. And if we don't have a healthy then, like, that's, I mean, it's just assigned to me of, of things that need to shift.

Speaker 2: Absolutely. I mean, the people I've been talking to whenever I ask them about the music industry, it's almost like it's a dirty word. You know, it's like, Oh God, I don't want to, I don't want to think about it. I don't want to be in it. And it feels alien. So, you know, his idea that it's actually, us, bringing value to others, and in a way that's sustainable, you know, that's what it should be. But, you know, it's about finding a way to make that work. And I guess I wanted to ask you about your experience since you brought it up, you know, you've got this group of people, it's bisexual women, straight women, you know, it's, it's open to, to all kinds. And, do you, have you felt, have you found in within your group that, there was, a dissatisfaction with the way things are in general in mainstream, society, when it comes down to being a woman and a, and being a musician What's your experience

Speaker 3: Yeah, I think they're, my experience. So I've been a part of a few different sort of community based, music organizations. And, like there was this, there's this one that I've been a part of called balanced breakfast, which has some really interesting meetups, you know, weekly or monthly, all over the country, all over the United States. And there are some nation are international. And what I was recognizing was this feeling of like, you go into a space to talk about the music industry and basically like people would just kind of bitch about the music industry with like an occasional solution dropped in, or like an occasional idea for like, Oh, what if we try this thing and not to knock balanced breakfast by any means, because it's been an incredible thing that I've been involved with. but I just, I got the sense of like, I, I'm, I'm more, I'm finding myself needing hope.

Speaker 3: Like I need to feel some sense of room and space and hope for the future, because if I focus on what's wrong with the world, there's no hope, right. Like there's just no hope. and, and so that kind of has inspired me to be thinking in like, creating these sort of generative, ideas and thinking about creativity and allowing for my friends to inspire me and to keep me positive. So that was one. And then yes, women in the industry, I do feel like there is something happening in the industry where like women are being hired more, or like the guy at the, you know, the head of the recording Academy said the thing about women and they need to TA, and so there is this like, okay, it's almost like a tokenistic of women and not a centering of women. And I'm more curious about like women and non-binary, I should say, like LGBTQ sort of the marginalized, portions of, of our culture.

Speaker 3: Like, I'm curious about how, how women will, would lead the industry. Like how, how would it be if it's not like you have to connect to the guy who can pull you up in the, in the ladder, but what if we just make a new ladder and, and what that means, or like what, what is forming in my head right now is like fully focusing the projects, the work that gets done for the projects on, like, you know, say you make a record, there's probably, I don't know, 20, at least people involved in it. And what if 18 of those 20 people were like, not male Like, what would that, what would that look like You know And like, what would that sound like and what, how would that sit in the market And, I dunno, I just, I feel like there's this, this really sort of deep evolution happening in like the feminine side.

Speaker 3: I remember when the presidential election was coming down in 2016 and it felt like the world was just falling apart. I heard this, psychic talking about how like the male energy is, or like the, the, yeah, the male energy of the like binary is going down and like the feminine, the divine feminine is coming up. And in that process, there's going to be like, like when the male energy goes down, there's like flames and destruction and like craziness. And it's just like, it's gonna go down in flames, you know, like it's not going to go down easy, but what's interesting is I am seeing this like more holistic, dialogue happening in a lot of different, like parts of society, you know, like talking about Medicare for all and talking about like, you know, tending to the marginalized of the marginalized of the marginalized and like holding, the people who are suffering and taking care of them. I feel like it's such a feminine maternal instinct

Speaker 2: For me. It's it makes a lot of sense. I actually recently finished a book by, Lamar who is a, the only female Lama, that exists. And she talks about the divine feminine in these terms as well. And she's saying, yes, the divine feminine is, is also, you know, the earth represent is representing this energy because, you know, we have treated the earth as object rather than our mother, you know, the, the one that actually gives us, everything we need to survive. And now all these things we are seeing such as, you know, climate change and, and, and, and everything that comes with it. It's, it's almost like at what, it's the consequence of what we've done of this mistreatment, if you like, of the, of their divine feminine, but of course, yes, this is not to say that, you know, anything, male is as bad or wrong as more that, you know, there's a negative side to, to both the masculine and feminine energies. and the way I see it is that both, reside inside ourselves, but we've kind of focused a bit too much on the masculine side.

Speaker 3: Absolutely. And there needs to be balance. And I'm curious about that, you know, in terms of how that balance can sit within music and can sit within a music community.

Speaker 2: Yeah. And I wonder, you know, you'll have been now, Enders industry for many years. You have a lot, you've got quite a lot of experience. And I was wondering, you know, if you, were to give advice to somebody just starting some, a young woman, perhaps, what, what advice would you give her

Speaker 3: That's a really great question. I feel like that changes a lot as I've grown in the industry. I think like the first thing is like, listen to yourself, listen to your gut. I feel like, some of the best artists that I have listened to, or, or fallen in love with in terms of their art making, are the people who are, they don't, you know, they don't comply. They don't like turn over for the sake of like getting more plays or something more CDs. They like, they make their art, they tell their story. And I think the more we can hear honest, authentic storytelling of what's actually happening, like the more, we'll have an opportunity to heal and grow. So I think that's number one. And number two is like, you don't have to do it all. You don't have to be everything delegate, like learn how to delegate from a, learn, how to ask for help, learn how to, you know, be willing to admit when you've got too much on your plate and, and then seek out the help.

Speaker 3: and, and also like the industry, can't define you as an artist. Like you have to have your own value within yourself. And if you depend on external validation from this ridiculous industry, it's not gonna happen. you know, and it can, I think I've seen people be destroyed, you know, emotionally and psychologically. You see, I mean, you know, somebody like Brittany Spears, for instance, like talk about somebody who was like held up by the music industry and like revered and then completely destroyed because she was so young. And like, from my perspective, I don't know her at all, but like, it seemed like she just was completely unsure of herself. And she had to go through this like really intense mental break in order to like, get to the place where she's like, okay, I know who I am. So like, how can we avoid that

Speaker 2: I can relate. I mean, obviously, you know, I've never been a famous, like Brittany's be over. But when I was in my twenties, I remember really unconsciously depending on, other people's opinion and, and looking for validation there. And it's a big trap because then yeah. You know, even though I didn't change the way I was making music, it did inhibit me quite a lot. And, and made me feel scared of the judgment, you know, and, and, and, and one of the big lessons of, of growing up is to actually learn not to care about that, but instead realizing the music is, is about sharing your message, you know, sharing what you've got to say. Right. So I guess my question there, would be, do you have a particular message, you know, does your music encapsulate, a particular topic or are you, more inspired in the moment by what's happening

Speaker 3: That's another great question. I would say that the thing that

Speaker 3: I think my music is about, I mean, it is about my experience and a lot of stuff I write is like personal and deeply personal. and I think in that way, what my music about is about is like vulnerability and honesty and like being okay, telling my story and finding some integrity and value within my experience. I, you know, it's actually been a piece of feedback over the years that has, sits in this like kind of painful place for me is that my music is too personal or too specific to like my experience and not universal and not relatable and whatever. And, you know, my response to that is if everybody like, just wrote about things that weren't specific to them, then, like we wouldn't have an intimate experience of music. and that, you know, I don't know. I just feel like my, my music is about intimacy and about, vulnerability and creativity.

Speaker 3: I mean, every time I do a show, it's been a while since I've done the show, but you know, my message to my audience is always like, if you feel moved by the music that you're hearing, go make your own music, you know, like, don't just hold your creative voice behind the shell of you, you know, like put it out or, or created record it, write it down. Like we need, like humans from my perspective are all like, we're, I think part of what's gotten so out of balance is this like, lack of connecting to the creative self and filling the void with television and social media and all these things. And so I'm sort of like, let's get creative, you know, let's, let's all heal through creating. Cause for me, it's like the number one. Yeah. I have a really good therapist now, but beyond that, like, you know, writing a song or like journaling for an hour, or even just sitting outside and being quiet are like so powerful and healing, you know, when you were

Speaker 2: Talking about that person saying, Oh, your songs are too specific. That to me just felt more like that person didn't specifically relate to you, but actually, I find that, songs a little bit like books in character in books, you know, the more specific character is the more specific the story is, the more universal it is. Cause otherwise you just, are very bland. You know, you just end up writing a song, the girls, Oh baby, I love you. Come back to me. You know, that kind of cliche, you know, and who wants to another song like that, you know, there's plenty. Right. and another thing that I'm hearing is about this connection between music, creativity, and healing, you know, your personal journey. Do you use your music to heal yourself or for personal development

Speaker 3: Oh, absolutely. Yeah. I mean, I released a music video a couple months ago for this song, salty tears. And it's a really, for me, that whole process of writing that song, recording that song and then making the music video was a deeply, deeply healing process. It took me like a couple of months to get the song written. Cause it was just like the experience that I was writing about was such a deeply like traumatic, like emotionally traumatic experience. And then I, I loved the way it turned out on the record. Like, so I just feel like it was like, wow, this song kind of shaped into this new thing that I didn't quite, because I had a really wonderful producer that I was working with. And he really helped me realize the song in this new way, which was like another level of healing. And then I worked with this director on this video and yet again, it was like, Oh my God.

Speaker 3: And he took me through this process of like really digging on, like, what was the story And like how, what are the elements of it that you're still struggling with What have you liberated yourself from another dah dah and, you know, by the end of it, and by when I put it out there, I felt this like release of something just really deep, you know And, and I think that's just one example of, you know, how powerful music can be for me. And, you know, I've, I've written through many hard things in my life like this. I wrote a song a couple of weeks ago talking about what's happening in my personal, like in my relationship. And I feel a little better about my relationship now, you know, it's like,

Speaker 2: Yeah, I can definitely relate to that. I've written a lot of songs about relationships. In fact, at some point I thought that I should have, instead of, you know, titles that were general for my albums, I should just call them, you know, I dunno, Jack ag guy, Gareth Andrew.

Speaker 3: Oh, a hundred percent.

Speaker 2: but one thing that, is sort of emerged from what you said, that's stayed with me was that, you know, songs and albums even more are a little bit like a film, you know, you can't really do it on your own. I mean, you could try, but it's always better if you're collaborating with other people. And, I guess I'm wondering how do you find your collaborators

Speaker 3: That's a great question. there's been a number of different paths to the collaborators that I've found, you know, believe it or not like, I mean, okay. Being in the Bay area and being in the music community, it's like, I live with my, you know, my housemates are musicians. And so anyways, my second record was produced by my house mate, who is also an incredible bass player. His name is Mike Ciano and backup vocals were my other housemate, Tim Silva, as you know, so it was like really much really about reaching into my community. And then, like being in Kiko actually has given me a lot of collaborative, leads, I guess I should say. it kind of brought me into the Balkan music community. And through that, I collaborated with a lot of different, people who were really dedicated to the folk music of Eastern Europe.

Speaker 3: And, yeah, and now, you know, now my collaboration, like I met Dale, Billy who's the newest artists on my label. I met them through a friend of mine and I was just like, I love your music. I would really love to work with you. And that, you know, that impulse of like attraction and like being, I was so moved by their music that I just like, I was like, I don't care how it happens. I have to sign you because you're so deep and wonderful and awesome. And it's led to a number of different collaborations and kind of also introduced me to this community that I feel really strongly involved in and invested with now. the sort of, amazing, amazing, like rocker queer women in the Bay area who are just like bad-ass people and really create, just incredible, incredible music. So yeah, I come at it from a lot of different angles. I've always been one of those people. Who's like kind of friends with everybody, you know,

Speaker 2: You mentioned, you know, many times the music from the Balkans. So that makes me very curious about your connection with our music and what is it that attracts you to it

Speaker 3: I have no idea other than like, I heard some Bulgarian singing when I was in college and I was like, Oh yeah, that's it like I, there was no, I just was so attracted to it. I love the sound of it. I was super interested in the harmonies. I loved the vocal style and then it turned out that like, I could do it like with relative ease and, I think, okay, I have a couple of theories. One is that like, I'm Irish, right So, or like, my heritage is Irish. And so I know that the Celts had some time or traveled through Bulgaria. And I sorta wonder if there's some sort of like deep ancestral connection. because like I went to Eastern Europe a few, the first time I went to Eastern Europe, I remember flying into Greece and just having this like bizarre sensation that I was coming home. Like I'm getting chills, just talking about it right now. Like I just felt so connected to that earth. And I, I just like, it was weird. I had never been there before, but I just felt like this familiarity and, like the languages have it. I don't speak the languages, but like singing them or like expressing that just like, it's not hard for me. Like I just, I feel this, I don't know. It's like a soul thing, I guess I should say

Speaker 2: I was going to say pass live or something. But in fact it maybe who knows, you know, ancestral heritage possibly. And, but I do, I do get it. I mean, I used to have that kind of thing with Ireland a lot, you know, I'm Italian, but the first time I went to Ireland, I had exactly, you know, a really similar experience and I so much that I actually had to go and live there for six months. Yeah. And then, yeah. And then, and then I, you know, I couldn't, for whatever reason, you know, I had to leave, but it helped to let it go, you know, because I really needed to, to feel that place. And I have no idea what that about, but it's, you know, so I guess, before we, we play one of your songs, I guess the last question I wanted to ask you, if you were to define what success for you is in this field, how would you define success

Speaker 3: You're full of really great questions. success is, Hmm. It feels so far from like money right now, which is kind of interesting. Cause like I need money to do everything, but it's, success is feeling held by the community and, and, and supporting and uplifting like music. It's, it's, it's about, it's like being of service to the world through music. Like I think that feels successful to me. Like if I can, if people hear what I'm doing or hear what my company is doing and like are inspired, that feels like success to me. Like I think about when I teach, like the best feeling for me is when somebody is like, I had a breakthrough, I'm like all that stuff. I don't know how I'm going to pay my rent this month, but like, you know, and I just feels like that's, that's it like, that's what we're here for, you know And, and I'm really excited to like find the sort of financial alignment with that. But for now it's like the creative, energetic, whatever is, is that's, that's what I'm here for. So

Speaker 2: Before we get into the song, I knew I start did say that was my last question, but I just do want to know what is coming up for you, you know what's the next level for you now

Speaker 3: well that's, so the next level is, I'm, you know, as I said, I'm re reworking and redeveloping the label and, we're kind of, I'm looking at building a cooperative label where everybody who works for the label is like somehow has a vested interest in its success. And we're all kind of holding each other up and sort of working together to uplift all of our music, careers. so that's that, I'm also doing the, the production company wing of the label or of the, of whack simile is doing, we're producing a monthly live stream music festival called I need space and I need space is how you can find out about that. And, we're also about to produce a podcast called working class windows, which incorporates the music of dill, Billy who's one of the artists on the label and, and portrait photography and oral histories.

Speaker 3: So that's going to be coming out. I know it's like a podcast with portrait photography, so how does that work But we're, we're kind of in the process of, figuring out all, all the little details of it. It was supposed to be alive touring concert, but alas COVID has kind of shifted those priorities. So that's happening. And then I want to work on my next album. I have a lot of material I've been writing and, I'm in touch with a couple of different producers that I'm considering. And, yeah, I want to just write and create and put out music and, try on new things, you know, and, and, and just be generative right now because the world needs music. You know, it needs also like healthcare and I go on the things, but, and, but I, and, and I also want to spend the next few months really focusing in on the election in November and making sure that the United States can really shift our priorities.

Speaker 2: Let's hope for the best there. And I guess people can find your music on, on your website, which is, rigid, boiled or calm, but also we will have information on all your various projects in the show notes of this podcast. So if you're interested in anything that Bridget is doing, just head on over to the show notes and the other thing, now that I'd like to share with our listeners is your beautiful music. So, you're going to play a song called magic trick. Do you just want to tell us a little bit of background on that song

Speaker 3: Yeah, sure. I wrote the song in point arena, California. I was, I took a, a little bit of a vacation. I took like three or four days by myself, which was the first time I had done that maybe ever, and sat in the cabin and just made music for three days. And this was one of the songs that came out of it. It it's the lead track on my record, the next line. And, in the, in the, in the quarantine time, I've realized, there's a lot of solitude right now for a lot of people. And there's actually, if, if I'm on it and if I'm connected, there's a lot of value to that solitude. And so, it's kind of a shout out to the introverts among us and also, to having some, some space and time to think and get creative. the magic high. And I'm from

Speaker 1: Displacing them, placing them with starry night cabin in the woods. Yeah, it was called no, I chose to this. And from Scott stand, the silence slowly came upon a fundamental, saying remembered you know, want to hear me, but the tree solid now there's no more, no harm left in me. Skeptic sleep boy, my pay alchemy, a phenomena,

Speaker 2: lovely song. Thank you so much for that. That was really, really nice. So thank you so much for, for being on the show has been a really interesting conversation and has been a delight to have you and to listen to your lovely music and, all the best for your projects in the future. I really do wish you all the best. Thank you so much. It was really super enjoyable. I wish you the best as well. That was my guest whom I like to thank once again for coming to the show every week, I'll be chatting to fantastic in the performers to uncover what it really takes to be a female independent singer song writer and this day and age and how we can support one another to keep shining our light unto the world through our creative endeavors. So make sure you don't miss out by subscribing today to be seen and follow us on slash there to be seen pod. I've been your host Elizah DiNapoli AKA. Lisa will pass. Thank you for listening, and please do rate and reviewed a show. I'd love to hear your thoughts unless you hate me. In which case you can skip that bit.

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